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‘The Great Debate’

September 15, 2011 Leave a comment Go to comments


For those who are so inclined, and even more so for those who are not.

  1. September 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM


    This was a spectacle, not a debate. If you are interested, check out the debates between William Lane Craig and Ray Bradley and William Lane Craig and Arif Ahmed.

    • September 20, 2011 at 6:53 PM


      A spectacle indeed, replete with a replica boxing ring enclosing the speakers! But honestly, when you truly consider it, the very fact that such elementary scientific principles, secular values, and rational worldviews are railed against to the degree that such events like this become spectacles underscores the absurdity of the modern situation. The ideas and worldviews subscribed to by those like BoTeach, D’Souza, Craig, Frame, et al belong in tiny corners of the world like Hyde Park, where they can certainly be heard but only taken seriously by the mislead, misinformed, and mistaken. On the one hand, televising them creates spectacles and gives the illusion that it is a Clash of the Titans rather than reasonable individuals illustrating the gaping flaws in the ideologies of those who ought to be more reasonable. On the other, how else to combat the ever-present ridiculousness that is evangelical Christianity and fundamentalism in all its forms?

      I will definitely check out the debates you mention, if you will also check out the following advice from Craig on how Christian college students should address a crisis of faith:


      • September 21, 2011 at 1:27 AM

        Re: ‘On the other, how else to combat the ever-present ridiculousness that is evangelical Christianity and fundamentalism in all its forms?’

        While I share your worry over giving very bad beliefs (and the very bad arguments made on their behalf) too much legitimacy, to answer your question: There really is no other way; unfortunately, silence will not put this matter behind us.

        Having said that, I should say that I have agreed to a debate on the existence of the Abrahamic god at UNF with a theist. I am eagerly awaiting the event.

  2. September 21, 2011 at 1:19 AM

    Also, check out Arif Ahmed vs Glenn Peoples. The debate was informal and took place on the UK radio show Unbelievable. Peoples is actually rather articulate and bright, but Ahmed is brilliant; he really does murder Peoples.

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